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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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Date: 17 Jan 00 18:08:46 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu
In article <0pOg4.6714$NU6.285660@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>, cangel@famvid.com writes:
> On 2000-01-17 no_spam@adams.patriot.net() said:
>
> AD> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
> AD> Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
> AD> In article <011700040222not-2-disclose@the.net>,
> AD> <not-2-disclose@the.net> wrote:
>
> N2> In the past two weeks or so, i couldn't but take note that
> N2> MY NEED for a `ZMoDem' protocol has been disregarded from
> N2> the start; ...
>
> AD> Again, this is the Kermit Project, not the Zmodem Project.
> AD> The source for Zmodem is Omen Technogy. If you want Zmodem
> AD> software for DOS, you can get it from there.
>
> Unless you want to use Windows. In that case it _is_ the
> `Zmodem Project' after all!!!
>
> AD> If you want to use Zmodem (or "ZMoDem," if you insist) file
> AD> transfers from within MS-DOS Kermit, there are three ways
> AD> you can go about it:
>
> AD> 1. You can demand that the Kermit developers add about 50K
> AD> of new code to implement a protocol that (apparently) very
> AD> few people need in their Kermit software.
>
> To add a vector reset of `int 14h' wouldn't add even 2k to the
> code.
>
> When you say "very few people need" I'm guessing you run W9x
> and therefore do have the zmodem in _your_ `Kermit / Zmodem
> Project' version. If you had no access to a working zmodem
> you'd sing a different tune me thinks.
>
> AD> 2. You can get DSZ from Omen Technology, register it for
> AD> about $20, and write a couple of Kermit macros (see below)
> AD> that will cause Kermit to call DSZ and send or receive
> AD> files.
>
> The need is to use this over telnet. DSZ does not _do_ telnet.
>
> AD> 3. You can get the source code and add it yourself.
>
> Or buy a new computer with Windows installed and use the
> `Kermit / Zmodem Project' version. We know.
>
> AD> I have found that the second solution works a lot better
> AD> than the first. I haven't had time to try the third yet.
>
> When you get #3 working, please do let us know?
>
> Anyone with the proper version of MSC and MASM who is familiar
> with the source code could have the `int 14h' vector reset
> working in an afternoon (if you include time to do a few
> compiles, testing, and compressing it into a BINARY archive to
> upload to WERMIT). For DOS programmers this is not rocket
> science its standard operating procedure.
>
> BTW: I'm not sure using the 'd' switch for DSZ when doing a
> dialup is a good idea. It tells DSZ to ignore carrier detection
> which means it could lockup on you if carrier drops.
>
If I may be so bold as to suggest you are not very familiar with
the technical consequences of the suggestions you make. It is not that
simple at all when the chips are counted. What's more, MSK isn't intended
to be "someone else's TCP/IP stack because we can't do it ourselves and
thus want it done for free by some poor sod." No thanks. If you want WATTCP
then use it. If it's not up to your specs then rewrite it to be so. Beneath
all the berating you offer that's what I suspect you really want: a better
WATTCP at someone else's expense, so you can run Zmodem over IP.
Have you considered for a moment talking with Omen Tech?
Joe D.
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